Frances’ remains were transported by procession from Richmond to Westminster Abbey. The Grey daughters and the congregation received Communion according to Elizabeth’s Prayer Book and Frances was buried in St. Edmund’s Chapel on the south side of the choir. (Katherine's case is a clear demonstration of rape culture: her own statements aren't taken seriously, and those like you who do suggest we consider that her sexual history could have been influenced by physical or psychological force face accusations of “demonizing” the men involved.) We don’t know. Katherine sat at the head with the other mourners on either side. “I hate you, you’re ruining my life” are words uttered by today’s teenagers to their parents without any real meaning behind them and I suspect Tudor teenagers felt just the same: misunderstood and frustrated. Frances’ body was brought into the Abbey and set under a structure known as a hearse. Without more reliable sources than the one interview Jane gave, we have to take the description of Frances being extremely abusive with a grain of salt. As historians start to remove the myths that have built around the personalities of those that have been villified, it could be we need to remove the ‘Rose Tinted Glasses’ in which we see some of the ‘goodies’ too… as their portrayal could be just as inaccurate. Four years later, Adrian Stokes erected an exceptional alabaster monument to his wife, possibly designed by the sculptor Cornelius Cure.

Your email address will not be published. I don’t think Frances was as bad as she is made out to be, just another product of the time, a survivor too, who went on to knab herself a ‘toy-boy’…

I think it should also be borne in mind that Jane was a strong protestant and reputedly quite austere in clothing and therefore perhaps manner. I wonder though, how she dealt with the execution of her daughter, emotionally that is, she would have had to be inhuman not to have felt desolate about that. Maybe Jane did the same; maybe her speech on her parents behavior was nothing more than an unhappy teen calling for attention and help. Copyright © 2020 The Anne Boleyn Files And what do we really know about Jane as a person, a part from the obvious, she could have been a spoilt little madame for all we know, under that quiet well educated, religious persona, who on that day when she spoke to Ascham maybe didn’t get her own way, had a hissy fit, was told off, and maybe got a ‘clip round the ear’ too… could be true….

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( Log Out /  ( Log Out /  So maybe they were strict and demanding on the girls concerning their education and social skills because of the social circles they moved in, but not in a cruel way. If you take those words at face value then the intellectual Jane was treated cruelly by her parents, but Jane could have been speaking after a row with her parents, who may have tried to persuade her to go hunting and get some fresh air, or she could have been exaggerating. English noblewoman, the second child and eldest daughter of King Henry VIII's younger sister, Princess Mary, and Charles Brandon, 1st Duke of Suffolk. Your biography of Katherine Howard is an excellent example of this. None of the children survived.

New 2021 Anne Boleyn Experience and Elizabeth I Experience Tours! There’s no evidence as to where Frances was on the day of her daughter’s execution. Jane would have felt they going to hell for not subscribing to the same religious practices she followed; as most extremely religious people do today. Kneeling at Communion was dropped, priests were allowed to wear distinctive vestments and a few sentences on the administration of the bread and wine were inserted to imply that Christ was present if only in the spiritual sense in the elements. Having said that I must al state that where there is smoke there is fire. Frances Brandon, Duchess of Suffolk, died on November 21, 1559. And thus my book hath been so much my pleasure, and bringeth daily to me more pleasure and more, that in respect of it, all other pleasures, in very deed, be but trifles and troubles unto me.”1.

She was buried in St Edmund’s Chapel in Westminster Abbey, on the orders of Elizabeth I, her cousin, and a tomb was erected in her memory by her second husband, Adrian Stokes. When she became ill in 1559, she made preparations for her death, petitioning the Crown for license to sell off some of her jointure property in order to give the proceeds to her daughters. Genealogy for Frances Brandon, Duchess of Suffolk (1517 - 1559) family tree on Geni, with over 200 million profiles of ancestors and living relatives. Jane, the poor child, became a victim in the game of power and greed, but that doesn’t mean she was all sweetness and light before this..I can image her being quite precocious actually, and a little arrogant with it on occassion, maybe thats why she was put in her place at times…the Tudor way! This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. She was laid to rest in St Edmund’s Chapel, Westminster Abbey. Her husband Henry Grey had been executed by Queen Mary I after his participation in the Wyatt Rebellion in 1554. Hi Amanda,Thank you so much for your kind and thoughtful comment, and for taking the time both to read this post and to write something about it. She was not in favor of the sermon-giving that was essential to the purer forms of Protestant worship.
She was the elder daughter of Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk (d.1545) and his third wife Mary Tudor (d.1533), sister of King Henry VIII and widow of King Louis XII of France. I definately agree with the young adultlescense verses parent thing. The English inscription reads: “Here lieth the ladie Francis, Duches of Southfolke, daughter to Charles Brandon, Duke of Southfolke, and Marie the Frenche Quene: first wife to Henrie Duke of Southfolke and after to Adrian Stock Esquier”.

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I believe that we need to seek out the women's voices themselves in these documents. Frances Grey, Duchess of Suffolk (16 July 1517 – 20 November 1559), born Lady Frances Brandon, was the second child and eldest daughter of Charles Brandon, 1st Duke of Suffolk and Mary Tudor, Dowager Queen of France. Frances was the mother of Jane, Katherine and Mary Grey..

And when I am called from him, I fall on weeping, because whatsoever I do else but learning, is full of grief, trouble, fear, and whole misliking unto me. Sounds like a definite clash of characters. Elizabeth enjoyed religious ceremony, including the candles and copes. On 21 November 1559, Frances Brandon, Duchess of Suffolk, died at the age of forty-two. After all the education they received, especially Jane, was outstanding for a girl. Genealogy for Frances Brandon, Duchess of Suffolk (1517 - 1559) family tree on Geni, with over 200 million profiles of ancestors and living relatives. ( Log Out /  Thanks for that Susan…and that just goes to prove the point I was making about not believing all that is written about these people, although I didn’t believe Frances was the ‘mother from hell’, I did take it as true that she married a ‘toy-boy’, so thanks again Susan, have learnt something new, which I always do on here. Geni requires JavaScript! Being with their parents in what may have been only short periods of time must have been like attending interviews when they saw them, and a bit ceremonious, especially if Mum and Dad were away at court or else where a lot of the time. Moreover, even if Jane's parents did discipline her, it seems to be going too far to characterise Jane as the victim of 'child abuse', as some historians and novelists have. Now, in death, may you fare well, united to God.”, Further reading:  “The Sisters Who Would Be Queen:  Mary, Katherine and Lady Jane Grey, A Tudor Tragedy” by Leanda de Lisle, entry on Frances Brandon in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography written by Retha M. Warnicke, Pingback: Lady Katherine Grey, Countess of Hertford « The Freelance History Writer, Pingback: The Funeral of Frances Brandon, Duchess of Suffolk @SusanAbernethy2 - Protocol Bloggers Point, Very Interesting. And maybe this is why she has been vilified, because her daughter was executed, and considered partly to blame, who knows. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Frances Grey, Duchess of Suffolk (née Lady Frances Brandon; 16 July 1517 – 20 November 1559), was an English noblewoman, the second child and eldest daughter o…