Except silence and it’s time for poetry to find a way to speak through both at once. So I think movies and poems bring out the automatic opinioning in people. Coetzee is pretentious, or a pseudo-intellectual?\rAn idle question, maybe, and certainly not one a poet should dwell on for too long. I agree with Eileen on this point. What a scream!\rAt Lady Ottoline's dance\rThe professor fell for the banker\rAt a glance.\rThe parish of rich women\rBy which Joyce & abstract art was fed,\rGave their souls to 'Poetry,'\rBy their silken dresses led.\rRansom said that writing\rShould not be amateurish,\r"My friends' poetry is something\rColleges can nourish. Neatorama is the neat side of the Web. This poem really touched my heart in more ways than I'm even able to say. Neruda took himself canonically seriously, Parra was self-deprecating. A true poet is selfish and implacable. it is just not polite.

Maybe outside of The Nation it is the only journal I can think of that does that. Hate can turn us against someone. But to move to its beat, for me, is an insult. That week something happened which proves my point that we can all get it 100% wrong. Ask Sappho.\rTerreson, I feel badly I knocked the AoAP's effort to bring more poetry into our lives, and even worse to have said APR makes me sick. I never meant to get involved. However, the rage I felt was not because of abuse, but because I was a puppet in some woman's life. People are angry, sad, happy, not happy, please come, in Ashbery, how much of which you've read, I wonder, o doubting Thomas. The big questions in poetry have never been about lexicon, syntax or metre, but about personality: who was Shakespeare? It has nothing to do with poetry and critical judgment, since the poet-professor is in the master-position because he or she in turn has kissed ass; he or she is NOT teaching the workshop because he or she is actually a good poet or a wise critic or have written any good poetry or sold any books...\rCan this be measured? The Coren article is interesting, as he too, like Ruth Padel's *old friend* John Walsh, is a food critic.\rHe is the son of a famous (deceased) humourist Alan Coren, Oxoford graduate, and got into a right stink last year after an e mail was leqaked in which he was effing and blinding at a sub-editor over the removal of an indefintie article (an) from (a nosh) to *nosh*\rIt showed just what a sense of privilige he has, because he was basically ranting like a slave-owner.\rHe also got in hot water over an article he wrote about Polish people being anti-jewish and told the *Polacks* to *clear off* out of England and *fuck the Poles*.\r~\rHowever a nasty little drip he may or may not be in real life, i thought his article was basically correct.\rI am part way through reading Poetry Wars by Peter Barry (one of four i spent 56 euro on to help Chris Hamilton Enery out and get some great books into the bargain) which details the campaign between the radicals and the straights in early 1070's Britain, after Eric Mottram wrested control of the Poetry Society boardroom and became editor of the (prior to that) highly conservative Poetry Review rag published by the Poetry Society and packing it with American avants and his British equivalent-pals.\rWhat strikes the reader is how both sides were not interested in any real notion of bringing poetry to the masses, but getting their mits on the subsidised tax-payers money to do spread around their own coteries.\rWhen Coren says no one is really interested in Poetry in Britain, essentially he is right, because what Poetry there is, in the main, is highly subsisdised.\rMy own theory is that the various factions pay lip service to the notion of inclusion, mirroring the current new labour (Old Tory) ethos of saying one thing and meaning the complete opposite.\rThere are plenty of jobs to be had creating dense gobble dee gook Arts project documents with highly abstract mission-speak and aims, basically saying in a hundred words what they could dop in ten, purely so the person writing it gets to feel clever.\rMy own thought on this is that because the second and third generation Labour movement abandoned the long term goals of its founding mothers and fathers, of making a fairer society, all their talk of reform with the Lords and such coming to nothing, the culture saw a rise in the language of deciet.

-- Marianne Moore\r"SILENCE = DEATH" -- ACT UP\r"Silence is golden.

)\rWhat'd Samuel Johnson say?

The article here, I sort of understand. ", that they will either have heard the name, or know precisely who she is.\r'Maya Angelou is (maybe) a household name because public school classrooms and libraries have great quantities of her books for the same reason they celebrate black history month every year'\rAmazingly, I am not one to get offended easily... but I am almost, perhaps slightly, miffed at that. 4th Street is a mecca. They gave their first reading at CBGB's and then gravitated to the St.... Like, by performing poems in sign language on America's Top Model? That we are asked to be accessible seems unique to poetry. Pretty unfashionable stuff, isn't it, by our lights? . No one is reading poetry. Don't tell me they didn't stage manage their own gossip, like Leavis did his. She is the author of the poetry collections Thaw (2001); Orient Point (2006), which won the Barnard Women Poets Prize; and... Everything about me hates everything about you. My lungs, duplicitous twins, expand with the utter validity of my hate, which can never have enough of you. And poetry welcomed me back when I gave up on the men in the band. Mexican poets tell me, "you know, Eliot is your greatest poet." Again I'm not against the academy - it sure nurtures me and it has a lot of poets, most of us. I spent time in Long Beach and their arts scene is extraordinary. Journals might do well to send copies to airlines (e.g.

America's a comic nation. The vernacular is not to make it easier for anyone. Took away what made me free. Just say yes. Fore! I hate poetry magazines by and large. NEW FEATURE: VOTE & EARN NEATOPOINTS! Any way. And how to avoid it?" "\r* * *\r[Tagore an influence on Neruda . If we print enough of it, then BY GOD THEY'LL HAVE TO READ IT.\rThey're STILL not reading it, even though it's everywhere...\rI can't understand it. Poet Laureate, 2001-2003 (Poetry and Literature, Library of Congress). But now we are helplessly hung up between the general and the specific. Fashion does rule the poetry world, and while I agree that the movement of fashion through history is as rich a subject for meditation or study as any cultural production, individual manifestations of current fashion are only occasionally and coincidentally profound or intense or charming. Can you imagine?\rWhere I really hate poetry is in the AoAP Poem of the Day, and APR makes me sick.\rPoetry is so particular, local, private--such a privilege, all of my own. Being dead!\rJust this.

One to archive and the other to read for a week and then to give away. I have tried both.

Oh no, poetry is all ready to get in on the past and is banding together in little groups to show its new flashy edge. I could have been as happily unhappy as the ordinary countryman in Ireland. Eileen,\rThere is no doubt that it is frustrating to be a poet in America. Unlike you, I don't have a story. Thomas I don't get this turn. "\rThey wouldn't dare...\rNot to THE Thomas Brady...!!\rThomas.

\rLeavis lectured in gossip, and because he was never trusted by the establishment he usually just gossiped wherever he happened to be.